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> <channel><title>Comments on: Finance and Freedom: Freedom of Religion</title> <atom:link href="http://www.rocketfinance.net/2008/11/21/finance-and-freedom-freedom-of-religion/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.rocketfinance.net/2008/11/21/finance-and-freedom-freedom-of-religion/</link> <description>Finance is not rocket science, unless it is government finance.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 22:48:26 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Freedom and Finance: Healthcare &#124; rocket finance</title><link>http://www.rocketfinance.net/2008/11/21/finance-and-freedom-freedom-of-religion/#comment-20975</link> <dc:creator>Freedom and Finance: Healthcare &#124; rocket finance</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:34:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rocketfinance.net/?p=425#comment-20975</guid> <description>[...] Freedom and Finance: Religion [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Freedom and Finance: Religion [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rocketc</title><link>http://www.rocketfinance.net/2008/11/21/finance-and-freedom-freedom-of-religion/#comment-19075</link> <dc:creator>rocketc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:50:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rocketfinance.net/?p=425#comment-19075</guid> <description>I believe, constitutionally speaking, that the framers would view granting &quot;tax-exempt status&quot; to churches to be as unconstitutional as restricting the rights of those churches to speak out in support of a particular political candidate. They are both violations of the constitution, strictly speaking.
Your last question is interesting.
I think my overall point, and maybe I did not state this well enough, is that tax-exempt status sounds like a good thing and many people who support non-profits welcomed that aspect of tax law. In gaining a monetary benefit, they and we as Americans allowed the government to restrict our freedom of speech. It is incremental, but this freedom is being slowly abridged. There are many politicians who benefit from the polical silence of non-profits. Futhermore, the non-profit status has even been used in court to threaten certain institutions who hold views that the political estabishment finds threatening.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe, constitutionally speaking, that the framers would view granting &#8220;tax-exempt status&#8221; to churches to be as unconstitutional as restricting the rights of those churches to speak out in support of a particular political candidate. They are both violations of the constitution, strictly speaking.</p><p>Your last question is interesting.</p><p>I think my overall point, and maybe I did not state this well enough, is that tax-exempt status sounds like a good thing and many people who support non-profits welcomed that aspect of tax law. In gaining a monetary benefit, they and we as Americans allowed the government to restrict our freedom of speech. It is incremental, but this freedom is being slowly abridged. There are many politicians who benefit from the polical silence of non-profits. Futhermore, the non-profit status has even been used in court to threaten certain institutions who hold views that the political estabishment finds threatening.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: My Journey</title><link>http://www.rocketfinance.net/2008/11/21/finance-and-freedom-freedom-of-religion/#comment-19070</link> <dc:creator>My Journey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:43:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rocketfinance.net/?p=425#comment-19070</guid> <description>Believe it or not, I actually agree with underlying wants, mainly, (a) lower taxes and (b) free speech (which I believe we currently have especially when compared to most other countries.
I think my issue, is you using the word unconstitutional.  The statement:
&quot;just because the government decided to give tax breaks to non-profits, it does not give government the right to then restrict their freedom of speech.&quot;
IS WRONG UNDER CURRENT LAW - Unless, what you are trying to do is portray YOUR OPINION.  If that is the case, so be it, but you should say it clearer.
If a church wants to promote a candidate then all they have to do is pay their taxes?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe it or not, I actually agree with underlying wants, mainly, (a) lower taxes and (b) free speech (which I believe we currently have especially when compared to most other countries.</p><p>I think my issue, is you using the word unconstitutional.  The statement:</p><p>&#8220;just because the government decided to give tax breaks to non-profits, it does not give government the right to then restrict their freedom of speech.&#8221;</p><p>IS WRONG UNDER CURRENT LAW &#8211; Unless, what you are trying to do is portray YOUR OPINION.  If that is the case, so be it, but you should say it clearer.</p><p>If a church wants to promote a candidate then all they have to do is pay their taxes?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rocketc</title><link>http://www.rocketfinance.net/2008/11/21/finance-and-freedom-freedom-of-religion/#comment-19063</link> <dc:creator>rocketc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:30:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rocketfinance.net/?p=425#comment-19063</guid> <description>Theoretically, I believe that the government should give no tax breaks to religious organizations or really any deductions at all. However, corollary to that belief is that our taxes should be very low, not progressive, and that payroll taxes are illegal . . .
My point is this: just because the government decided to give tax breaks to non-profits, it does not give government the right to then restrict their freedom of speech. And I define the freedom of speech relatively narrowly as most of the founding fathers: the right to free speech is the right to free political speech.
We have too many deductions and targeted tax breaks in our tax code . . . most are not constitutional . . . but that is a whole &#039;nother topic.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theoretically, I believe that the government should give no tax breaks to religious organizations or really any deductions at all. However, corollary to that belief is that our taxes should be very low, not progressive, and that payroll taxes are illegal . . .</p><p>My point is this: just because the government decided to give tax breaks to non-profits, it does not give government the right to then restrict their freedom of speech. And I define the freedom of speech relatively narrowly as most of the founding fathers: the right to free speech is the right to free political speech.</p><p>We have too many deductions and targeted tax breaks in our tax code . . . most are not constitutional . . . but that is a whole &#8216;nother topic.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: My Journey</title><link>http://www.rocketfinance.net/2008/11/21/finance-and-freedom-freedom-of-religion/#comment-19059</link> <dc:creator>My Journey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:06:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rocketfinance.net/?p=425#comment-19059</guid> <description>Rocket,
&quot;Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man &amp; his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state&quot;
Thomas Jefferson 1802
Can&#039;t it be argued that giving a tax preferred status to only CERTAIN religions (i.e. The IRS would have a problem with The Church of My Journey to Millions) orginiziations is actually supporting a religion?
Before you attack me, I am actually NOT a liberal at all, and in fact, got into many a fights in my Constitutional Law Class during Law school with people about how conservative I really am.  I just don&#039;t think this issue is black and white.
I am far from a Con Law Professor, but there is no speech that is &quot;always be protected by law&quot; but rather varying degrees of protection.  Yes, Political is VERY VERY HIGH on the list of protected speech, but is BY NO MEANS always protected.
I am not sure where it is, but there is some sort of line where you should study con law before proclaiming it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rocket,</p><p>&#8220;Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man &amp; his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state&#8221;</p><p>Thomas Jefferson 1802</p><p>Can&#8217;t it be argued that giving a tax preferred status to only CERTAIN religions (i.e. The IRS would have a problem with The Church of My Journey to Millions) orginiziations is actually supporting a religion?</p><p>Before you attack me, I am actually NOT a liberal at all, and in fact, got into many a fights in my Constitutional Law Class during Law school with people about how conservative I really am.  I just don&#8217;t think this issue is black and white.</p><p>I am far from a Con Law Professor, but there is no speech that is &#8220;always be protected by law&#8221; but rather varying degrees of protection.  Yes, Political is VERY VERY HIGH on the list of protected speech, but is BY NO MEANS always protected.</p><p>I am not sure where it is, but there is some sort of line where you should study con law before proclaiming it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Deamiter</title><link>http://www.rocketfinance.net/2008/11/21/finance-and-freedom-freedom-of-religion/#comment-15559</link> <dc:creator>Deamiter</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:58:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rocketfinance.net/?p=425#comment-15559</guid> <description>I quite disagree that our constitutional rights have somehow been violated!  The government is simply offering a widely supported tax break to gifts that go to religious organizations.  The requirement that the organizations do not engage in campaign activity is to avoid giving tax breaks to &#039;religious&#039; organizations created solely to bypass campaign finance laws.
Churches are in no way compelled to take the tax-exempt status, nor are members prevented from engaging in campaign activities.  Therefore there is no loss of freedom of speech.
One might argue that all campaign finance laws should be removed which would make this particular law pointless.  Until and unless that happens, it just doesn&#039;t make sense to allow churches to launder money for political campaigns and bypass the laws that try to limit the power of ultra-rich people and corporations to fix elections by pouring in even more money that they do now.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite disagree that our constitutional rights have somehow been violated!  The government is simply offering a widely supported tax break to gifts that go to religious organizations.  The requirement that the organizations do not engage in campaign activity is to avoid giving tax breaks to &#8216;religious&#8217; organizations created solely to bypass campaign finance laws.</p><p>Churches are in no way compelled to take the tax-exempt status, nor are members prevented from engaging in campaign activities.  Therefore there is no loss of freedom of speech.</p><p>One might argue that all campaign finance laws should be removed which would make this particular law pointless.  Until and unless that happens, it just doesn&#8217;t make sense to allow churches to launder money for political campaigns and bypass the laws that try to limit the power of ultra-rich people and corporations to fix elections by pouring in even more money that they do now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: plonkee</title><link>http://www.rocketfinance.net/2008/11/21/finance-and-freedom-freedom-of-religion/#comment-15325</link> <dc:creator>plonkee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:42:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rocketfinance.net/?p=425#comment-15325</guid> <description>Whether or not that was the intent I don&#039;t know, but in practice many/most church people seem to have strong political opinions. If they intended to muzzle dissenters I&#039;m not sure they&#039;ve succeeded.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not that was the intent I don&#8217;t know, but in practice many/most church people seem to have strong political opinions. If they intended to muzzle dissenters I&#8217;m not sure they&#8217;ve succeeded.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rocketc</title><link>http://www.rocketfinance.net/2008/11/21/finance-and-freedom-freedom-of-religion/#comment-15315</link> <dc:creator>rocketc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:52:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rocketfinance.net/?p=425#comment-15315</guid> <description>In the U.S., you are certainly free to choose no religion. I would have it no other way.
You are right about refusing a tax deduction, my point is not that the deduction is right or wrong . . . the injustice lies in the limiting of the freedom of speech. Our government has discovered an effective means of muzzling the opposition.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the U.S., you are certainly free to choose no religion. I would have it no other way.</p><p>You are right about refusing a tax deduction, my point is not that the deduction is right or wrong . . . the injustice lies in the limiting of the freedom of speech. Our government has discovered an effective means of muzzling the opposition.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: plonkee</title><link>http://www.rocketfinance.net/2008/11/21/finance-and-freedom-freedom-of-religion/#comment-15305</link> <dc:creator>plonkee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:09:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rocketfinance.net/?p=425#comment-15305</guid> <description>You cannot have freedom of religion without being free to choose no religion at all.
I have no particular interest in how Americans choose to practice their separation of church and state or freedom of religion. But, if it&#039;s that important to you, you could forego the tax deduction and/or campaign for its removal.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cannot have freedom of religion without being free to choose no religion at all.</p><p>I have no particular interest in how Americans choose to practice their separation of church and state or freedom of religion. But, if it&#8217;s that important to you, you could forego the tax deduction and/or campaign for its removal.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rocketc</title><link>http://www.rocketfinance.net/2008/11/21/finance-and-freedom-freedom-of-religion/#comment-15134</link> <dc:creator>rocketc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:02:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.rocketfinance.net/?p=425#comment-15134</guid> <description>and unconstitutional. It is like boiling the proverbial frog. Everything has happened so slowly that it is difficult to oppose. We are do thankful for the tax deduction that we forget that our freedom of speech has been limited.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and unconstitutional. It is like boiling the proverbial frog. Everything has happened so slowly that it is difficult to oppose. We are do thankful for the tax deduction that we forget that our freedom of speech has been limited.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
